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#1 lPrincexD

Posted 09 October 2010 - 10:17 AM
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re you feeling down, because you can't get your gear to +7?
This isn't precisely a guide, but contains tips and brief introduction to simple mathematical probability to help you succeed.


First, the tips:

1) Change channel for every success AND failure of EACH upgrade attempt.
2) Try to upgrade in channels that have the lowest population.
3) Try to upgrade in hours where most people are asleep/afk.
4) When going to +6 --> +7:

a) Use a core enhancer on a core.
:verymad: Change channel.
c) Attempt to make your item +7.

5) When upgrading expensive items that require UCHH, it is best to attempt only one/two upgrade per day.

6) If you succeed on going to +7 for one item, STOP ATTEMPTS. You just got very lucky. You WILL NOT GET LUCKY TWICE. So don't even try.



Explanation:

It's all probability.

1) If you succeed once, getting a success again right away is low. 25% only in fact. (50% x 50% = 25%).

2) If you failed once, getting a fail again right away is also low. 25% only in fact. (50% x 50% = 25%).

3) Failure rate increases as the quality of your item increases.
Yes, it is easier to upgrade titanium to +7, for example, than getting redosmium to +7.

4)The higher + you get, the failure rate increases.


What you want to do, is balance out your failures and successes of your series of attempts. If you got a lot of successes (including +1~+6 in one go), you DO NOT WANT TO TRY TO MAKE THAT ITEM, OR ANY OTHER ITEM, +7 ON THAT DAY.

Getting six successes in one go is 0.5^6 = 0.015625 = 1.56%.
Meaning gaining six successes in a row has a 1.56% chance of happening.
Getting a SEVENTH success in one row is 1.56% x0.5 = 0.78125%.
PLUS, getting a seventh success is hard anyway. So it will probably be even lower.

So why does waiting a day make upgrading more successful? Because, during the next day when you don't upgrade, OTHER PEOPLE will attempt upgrades. The server rolls random dice to calculate successes and failures for all those people, meaning the probability is completely reset for you, when you try to upgrade on another day. It's the same as poker or a slot machine: people leave the table or machine that just gave them a jackpot and move to another, because the probability of winning at that same table/machine again is very, very low. Then, they watch that machine/table, and wait until a lot of failures and losses occur, suffered by other people. This means that the chance for winning has increased, yes? That's when they return to that table and machine.

This is why you change channels, and why you don't want to upgrade too frequently in one day.

So how DO people get +7? Sheer luck? No. Mathematical, calculated risk taking.

The server is like a lottery. If there are 500 people in one channel, all trying to upgrade/craft something, then the chances of one person getting a good upgrade/good craft result is lower than when you are in a channel by yourself, for example. THIS IS WHY YOU WANT TO CRAFT/UPGRADE IN LOW POPULATION CHANNELS.

When upgrading multiple items, let's say you failed to go to +5 from +4 two times in a row. This is a very rare occurrence. It is not hard to get +5, but you failed twice. This means that the next attempt has a higher chance of being a successful upgrade.

So what do you do? Use a core enhancer on a core BEFORE changing ch. Change ch, or return to the same ch if it still has the lowest population.

Attempt +7.
This is still risky, but the calculations suggest your chances of success is higher than normally. Quite higher.

Edited by lPrincexD, 09 October 2010 - 10:28 AM.


#2 TinkerBell

Posted 09 October 2010 - 10:24 AM
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thanks..i try..

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#3 Cyanide

Posted 10 October 2010 - 06:12 AM
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i did basically none of that when i was a GA i stayed on chaos channel because if i went +7 i didn't want rage to crash and roll back. i would sometimes did 2-3 +7 items in half a day if i had enough cores stocked up i went +0 - +7 with no fails twice in the same day... this guide does have one thing i can agree to and that is most of my +7 were when majority or the people were offline. it took about a little under a week when i decided i wanted to +7 my bl set and the same amount of time for my fb set. spent half the time getting the cores then 3-4days of constant upgrading my entire set ( helm suit gloves boots and weapons) to +7 until i ran out of cores instead of upgrade one day and if i succeed on one wait for the next day hardest thing for me was farming all those cores and not being bored :verymad:

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 08:50 AM
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hmmmmm...may be it depends upon if you are luckily on +7... :verymad:
i tried it yesterday to my ORB coz i have 20echh and all i think its enough to do +7, i use the chaos channel on the lakeside warp..but suddenly when i come to +6..im happy that the following time i plus it away,...it comes to +7...,,i plus it with my twinkling eyes, a cute smile and even praising,heheh. ^_^ but then when i hit it!..bang! it comes back to +0..huhuhuh :verymad: ..now i know that it depends upon your fate luckily to plus....

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#5 Cyanide

Posted 10 October 2010 - 10:59 AM
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yea its mostly luck but 20 echh is way 2 little need more much more for a +7 attempt

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 02:04 PM
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Busy/quiet server makes no difference. I've done multiple +7 in a row. I've gone 25+ failed attempts in a row ( I blame Cyanide for every one of those failures). Porting to different locations to try +6 or +7 is complete bunk. 100% of my +7s were done in DS. One part I absolutely agree with Cyanide, do NOT change channels after a +7 success, you're just asking for pain. The math part was funny.

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 12:46 PM
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Its hard to understand but it is accurate.

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#8 SwordKiss

Posted 12 October 2010 - 03:12 PM
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just use +6
U DO FINE with +6

#9 Sin

Posted 14 October 2010 - 08:48 AM
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Hmm. I'll give this a shot. but i'm really impatient. >.>

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Posted 15 October 2010 - 07:06 PM
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just use +6
U DO FINE with +6


yes players like you are fine in +6 items because we all know here, if one player have a very good connection and they can use Forcekick Skill, they a big chance to win in there fight..but try to pvp without force kick you can see the different between +6 and +7 equips.

I agree with the First tip 1,2,3,4 but in 5 and 6...hmmm i can make 10pcs +7 items in one day..it depends of how many cores or upgrade core highest and enhancers you have...and also it depends in a chance..

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Posted 16 October 2010 - 08:12 AM
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yes players like you are fine in +6 items because we all know here, if one player have a very good connection and they can use Forcekick Skill, they a big chance to win in there fight..but try to pvp without force kick you can see the different between +6 and +7 equips.

I agree with the First tip 1,2,3,4 but in 5 and 6...hmmm i can make 10pcs +7 items in one day..it depends of how many cores or upgrade core highest and enhancers you have...and also it depends in a chance..

merged your double post since it was only 4mins apart

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 02:01 AM
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Tryed everything above, and failed.
Any other sugestions?

People live their lives bound by what they accept as correct and true. That is how they define reality.


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Tryed everything above, and failed.
Any other sugestions?

just keep trying stock up on more uchh for the +0 - +3/4 and echh for the +3/4 - +7. in your journey to +7 unless you only plan on doing one item and your extremely lucky their will be many fails

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#14 TinkerBell

Posted 19 October 2010 - 05:03 PM
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may be u do ups or plus if u r in the mood to ups/plus..ahhehehe
psychological style...hehe :verymad:

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#15 lPrincexD

Posted 20 October 2010 - 09:33 AM
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thanks for your suggestions guys :verymad:

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its depend if u r lucky hahaha.. Dungeon is the best way to ups ur weapon or set. NO LAG NO RESPAWN PLAYER :verymad: i have 13pcs +7 weapon and +7 BL SET..this +7 made from dungeon :verymad: hahaha

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Posted 21 October 2010 - 06:41 PM
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Tried a lot of UCHH in my orb and still unlucky.... didnt tried dungeon upgrade yet.. hope it work.. btw tnx for the sharing guys.

#19 lPrincexD

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anyone can you give me some suggestion on how to ups my armor less fail more success
exp.- i want to put CDI in helm, 1st attemp. success, when i attemp again to put CDI its always fail, anyone ??? i need your suggestion about this
tnx in advance :verymad:

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anyone can you give me some suggestion on how to ups my armor less fail more success
exp.- i want to put CDI in helm, 1st attemp. success, when i attemp again to put CDI its always fail, anyone ??? i need your suggestion about this
tnx in advance :verymad:

yea for that do this put 1 fchh (force core highest) and 2 ech (enhanced core high) you will have a slightly greater sucess rate :verymad:

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#21 lPrincexD

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yea for that do this put 1 fchh (force core highest) and 2 ech (enhanced core high) you will have a slightly greater sucess rate :verymad:


thanks GM i'll try that :verymad:

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yea for that do this put 1 fchh (force core highest) and 2 ech (enhanced core high) you will have a slightly greater sucess rate :verymad:


effective :verymad: ^_^

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SP is ryt',..proven & tested na!!! :verymad:

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SP is ryt',..proven & tested na!!! :verymad:


yeah :verymad: your ryt! ^_^

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try to upgrade an item that has random slot like CRI it is so hard to upgrade it to +7 ....can someone give me some tips on how to upgrade it

is the chance of upgrading random slot item is lower than normal!! thanx for the reply badly need it!!

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i dont know about you guys but i think that the success rate is lowered in this server..on official it takes like maximum of 15 non enchanted cores to make +6 but in here it takes 14*15 echh to make +6 from +3 .D not to mention that the 143 plasma coating kit only got my rw3 to +4 (+5 once)

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Depends If You Are lucky but thanks for the guide ..
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#28 Cyanide

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lol i still find this guide funny, inaccurate but funny. :thumbsup: But speaking from experience i'll say it's all luck, luck, luck, and more luck. Back while i was still a normal player/GA and made my FB i upgraded the full set + weapons in 2 days to +7. That's an average or 3 pcs a day. On a separate day i upgraded 2 mith blades from +0 to +7 with no fails in the same day, that's right 4uchh and 3echh on each blade.

So that's

no dice rolling
no channel switching
and no stopping upgrades for the day just because i got 1 pcs to +7

anyway gj for your effort

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ahahahaha SP cyan is ryt,,,
there no xsact procdure in upgradung item into +7 without breaking it..

all you need is one big Luck..^^
it depend on your Lucky day^^


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Omg Guys can you pls stop this shit. They Aint any tips to + your item ITS PURE LUCK PUREEEEEEEEEEE LUCK. You can follow this tips and fail. you can fck yourself and fail. You can be a GOD and fail. It depens on your luck thats all.Buy tons of echh and go on. if you make 1 on day ur lucky if you make 2 in 1 day u r luckyer if u make 3 u r uber luck if you make 5+ u r the God of luckness. THATS ALL THE END.

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